DeltaDiva02: If you're not financial don't talk to me

Prettyprecocious: i just sat in a grad advisor meeting where all we talked about was hazing--we didn't even start to actually consider that undergrads have other issues to deal with besides hazing.

TJl7316: they are loosing the true concept on we not I

Dr Parks: Renegade members who do what?

Titilayo Akinmusuru: @HQ. I agree... thats why I believe that renegade chapters need to be policed to some extent, but trying to lockdown the institution as a whole might have more crippling effects on our society than foreseen.

Loann King: I believe that when we start asking questions that relate to defining hazing. It is a detractor from the real issue. Do you belong or join an organization to give service? Or is it for some other reason?

DeltaDiva02: cause the majority of the problems

BeauTIFFulAKA: Amen @ Haze History.

Prettyprecocious: when is anyone even going to talk about how people throw themselves on the railroad tracks and dang near make people haze them sometimes cuz they just won't leave them alone

Dr Whaley: I wonder if we might slow down a bit and provide time to forward a list of suggestions and move through the other two topics.             

Dr Parks: I disagree with FDr. Jones end-goal, but he raises good points that should be pondered.         

Dr Jones: Not all Germans killed people either, not all white were slaveholders, but these facts don't eradicate the reality of the Holocaust or slavery. Empty argument

DAWSON: Dr.Bradley, the new members have to have some degree of self esteem, confidence, and leadership... that would be the only way to stop the influence of old members with misdirected intentions.

DrBradley: can someone recommend a revolutionary membership process?

Rho Thea: Que: A revolutionary process would be to have a qualified graduate chapter member observe each and every session to determine if the open hand slaps or wood have gone to far.

Haze History: But if I tell someone to repeat history to me I am hazing them that’s BULL SHIT, Dr. Jones.

Rho Thea: Que: Why change the process at all?

Rho Thea: Que: Joining the Navy, Air force, and Marine Corps takes a process that some have died undertaking. Over the years these death have grown. The United States of America has not stopped the deaths. The frequency of deaths has dropped through education though.            

Haze History: WE NEED TO STOP ALL VIOLENT HAZING BUT WE DO NEED A NEW MEMBERSHIP INTAKE PROCESS       

DrBradley: well dawson, if there was a faction of the AARP that hazed, they would become the anomaly, because so many other people can join when they want to

Dr Jones: You becoming irrational, Haze History

Haze History: No, I am correct

MzQStorm: @ DrBradley, I think that a group could be formed that could revitalize the membership intake

C.: Brown: I just completed a graduate intake process and had a generally positive experience, complete with bonding (under pressure), learning history, and instilling pride. It CAN be done!

Dr Whaley: Thank you for your point C. Brown

Haze History: too many of our kids are losing their lives trying to teach other kids without the help of the "elders"

Marshallis: cbrown that is a good point and to hell w/ what others think or say      

Lking: I agree haze history

Rho Thea: Que: one must be tested before admittance to an organization

DrBradley: but where is the revolutionary process...we can't agree on any standards...but we know this